What Should We Make of Loki and Sylvie’s Relationship? @MarvelStudios @LokiOfficial @io9 @gizmodo #MCU #Loki

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And now for something really weird.

This post contains mild spoilers for the Loki Disney+ series.

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This is your only chance to turn back.

A while back, I asked the rather ridiculous legal question of what action (crime?) Nebula committed when she killed her doppelganger from 2014. I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one thinking about these crazy things. IO9/Gizmodo writer, Charles Pulliam-Moore, asks whether that relationship should be considered incest. Give it a read. Does your answer reconcile with your answer to my question? For the most part, it does for me.

To refresh your recollection, I concluded that Nebula committed parricide, the killing of a close relative. By my semantics, it would follow that Loki and Sylvie’s relationship is incest (a relationship with a close relative). That doesn’t quite track, though. My first thought (and one contemplated in the article and the science fiction it cites) was that it would be more appropriate to refer to it as a particular form of incest: selfcest. Is that a different thing? The issue with my conclusion on Nebula, as I just said, was one of semantics more than logic. There simply isn’t a word for the killing of your multiverse doppelganger unless you call it suicide, which I declined to do. You’re not really the same person. However, in the case of Loki and Sylvie’s relationship, the genetic similarity becomes even more important because I’d imagine that a child of their pairing would be even more likely to develop genetic abnormalities. But if this logic holds, it’s definitely incest, but selfcest (as I interpret the term) doesn’t really exist, or wouldn’t assuming multiverses existed and could be traversed.

The only way I can fully reconcile this is if we reimagine the word, selfcest. To be a bit blunt, selfcest seems analogous to masturbation, but I don’t think anyone would call it that. Ergo, to be precise, we’d need a new word that describes the specific instance of incest where the other party was your mutliverse doppelganger. Returning to how I handled Nebula’s act, none of the alternatives, whether preexisting my post or coined by me, seem acceptable. Mirrocest, clonecest, dimensionicest, alterocest, etc. are goofy and/or inaccurate.

But having used the term, “multiverse doppelganger,” so many times in this post, I think I have the answer: Doppelcest, and by extension, doppelcide for Nebula. At the very least, you must admit that it’s better than multiversaldoppelcest.

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Nice save, huh?

With the multiverse on the horizon, this could become a non-negligible issue for the viewers. Or at least for the weird viewers. Like me.

If you know any good shrinks in the DC area, hook me up. I’m clearly in great need of one.

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More Loki Merchandising @Jon__Eve @MarvelStudios @LokiOfficial #MCU #Loki #Caturday

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Still reeling from the Loki finale? Here’s another idea for Loki merchandise (following up on my earlier post).

Okay, Jon’s spelling is weak, and these shoes don’t look comfortable, but you know you want them. I mean, Croki was the hero of the MCU.

But it’s Saturday, so as always . . . .

Waffles the Cat in Avengers Costumes — Waffles the Cat

Caturday shall not be denied!

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Loki Merchandising @MarvelStudios @LokiOfficial #MCU #Loki

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Tomorrow morning is the season (series?) finale of Loki! That means it’s time for merchandising.

I, for one, will once again get up an hour early so that I can watch it spoiler free.

Would anyone not buy this shirt?

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A New Perspective on 14,000,605 @MarvelStudios @LokiOfficial #MCU #Loki

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Going forward, Sundays are lazy days for me. I either post something silly or other people’s work. Usually both. Today, in light of yesterday’s return to the movie theater for another MCU film, and in preparation for the season (series?) finale of Loki, I give you a new perspective on the number of alternate timelines Dr. Strange viewed in Avengers: Endgame.

Black Widow was great.

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Some Marvel Memes @ComicBook @LokiOfficial @DisneyPlus #MCU #movie #QuarantineWatchParty #Loki

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Going forward, Sundays are lazy days for me. I either post something silly or other people’s work. Usually both. Today, it’s a few MCU memes that hit my social media streams this week. Two you’ve almost certainly seen. One is pretty new. They all surround last week’s ComicBook.com quarantine watch party of Thor (which was awesome), which was in preparation for the following day’s premiere of Loki on Disney Plus (which was awesome).

Bad start, but young Cap thought old Cap was Loki, so close enough.
This isn’t much of a meme. It’s 100% true.
Impressive.

It’s Sunday. I’m tired.

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Relationships in #Thor: The Dark World @CUnderkoffler @twhiddleston @chrishemsworth #MCU

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I was recently talking about the MCU on Facebook (surprised?), and Thor: The Dark World (“TTDW”) came up. My general position was painful to admit: TTDW was a bottom tier MCU film. Thor is my favorite MCU character, but this entry was a bit weak. My general sentiment, however, was that you’ll appreciate all of these movies more if you see them as episodes in a longer story arc. This led to two points being made, one by me and one by a Facebook friend, Chad.

The Thor-Loki Dynamic

Chad stated:

I -really- like the Thor/Loki dynamic in Dark World. It’s set-up in the first movie. You can’t have their relationship in Ragnarok (especially post-Avengers) without it.

I agreed to a large extent, first because Tom Hiddleston’s acting was in my opinion the best overall throughout the MCU, but second because of Chris Hemsworth, who did a great job as Thor. The problem is that this relationship was a secondary plotline. The main storyline brought the film down to the bottom tier of the MCU. That said, Chad’s observation was an important one that was in line with my other comments of my Facebook thread. Secondary plotlines become far more important when you see these movies as episodes in a longer story that’s never (to my knowledge) been done in cinema. Iron Man 2 was my least favorite MCU film, and I’ll still gladly watch it. It’s an episode in a decade-long story that I love. A weak episode (to me), but still part of the story.

I told Chad I’d re-watch the movie and focus on that relationship to see if I could grab anything new about it. On my latest viewing, I learned . . . very little. This isn’t to say I disagree with Chad – I absolutely agree – I just remembered everything about it, so there was nothing new. Although Thor: Ragnarök fully developed Thor’s dimwittedness from mythology, he showed some signs of it in the first two Thor movies, but only with respect to Loki, who was always able to fool him. In addition, their love-hate relationship ultimately favored love, made apparent in the opening act of Infinity War. That act wouldn’t have meant a thing without the context of the prior films, and that made Infinity War a better film than it otherwise would have been.

Frigga’s Death

An even better example of this effect was the death of Frigga. When I first saw TTDW, I thought her death was unnecessary and cheap. It appeared as a means to say, “Let’s have someone die to show that the stakes are high, but not someone important enough that the stakes are actually high.” In hindsight, my perspective was dead wrong. Like all the major MCU characters, Thor went on a path of self-improvement, but he hit a major stumbling block off-camera between Infinity War and Endgame: depression and PTSD. While having never slipped unto unworthiness, Frigga was the last push he needed to get back on track, and their interaction in Endgame wouldn’t have conveyed such meaning if she hadn’t died in TTDW. This is hardly novel in the MCU (or elsewhere in cinema). I’ve discussed this before with respect to Black Widow and Hawkeye. The MCU did a surprisingly good job of immersing me in the emotions of those relationships. TTDW is a good example of how they laid the foundation for one of those key moments.

Why Is It So Bad?

Honestly, I have no idea why I place the TTDW in the bottom tier of MCU movies. It should be great. It has well-defined villains, a well-defined primary antagonist, plenty of action, plenty of humor, plenty of human drama, and perhaps even more is at stake than in Infinity War (but at least as much). I can’t explain why it’s not one of the best; it simply isn’t.

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